glus
02-13 07:19 AM
Clear up your mind for a little while and consider this:
The whole working world lives by on one simple rule ..... GETTING PEOPLE OFF YOUR BACK.
The bigger PITA (pain-in-the-ass) you are... the higher is the priority you get.
As a community we will need to become a PR nightmare for govt. officals... simply being an inconvenience is not going to cut it... we will have to become a "a cactus that is stuck in the colon".
USCIS says EBs are retrogressed because there are XXXXX people in the queue. Why is the queue so long? Because they wasted numbers in the past and kept the queue long. This is pure operational inefficiency that is resulting in monetary, emotional and mental loss to about a million people.
This is a valid ground for a class action lawsuit.
By filing this suit, we will become the "cactii in the colon" that they will have to address. And you know what the easy out of court settlement will be..... RECAPTURE!
We will keep lobbying and crying as we usually do.. But this thing has a far better shot than anything else.
Class actions are not performed easily. First,one needs to show that an agency acted illegally and that action caused many people harm. The fact that USCIS did not use all the visa numbers is not automatically illegal. The law says that the MAXIMUM number of visas, for example, in the EB is 140,000 per fiscal year. It does not say what's the minimum. I am not an attorney, but if that were an easy case, many times would someone else have tried it. Good idea, but as far as I know, difficult to fight from a legal point of view. I'll ask my attorney about this and will keep you posted.
The whole working world lives by on one simple rule ..... GETTING PEOPLE OFF YOUR BACK.
The bigger PITA (pain-in-the-ass) you are... the higher is the priority you get.
As a community we will need to become a PR nightmare for govt. officals... simply being an inconvenience is not going to cut it... we will have to become a "a cactus that is stuck in the colon".
USCIS says EBs are retrogressed because there are XXXXX people in the queue. Why is the queue so long? Because they wasted numbers in the past and kept the queue long. This is pure operational inefficiency that is resulting in monetary, emotional and mental loss to about a million people.
This is a valid ground for a class action lawsuit.
By filing this suit, we will become the "cactii in the colon" that they will have to address. And you know what the easy out of court settlement will be..... RECAPTURE!
We will keep lobbying and crying as we usually do.. But this thing has a far better shot than anything else.
Class actions are not performed easily. First,one needs to show that an agency acted illegally and that action caused many people harm. The fact that USCIS did not use all the visa numbers is not automatically illegal. The law says that the MAXIMUM number of visas, for example, in the EB is 140,000 per fiscal year. It does not say what's the minimum. I am not an attorney, but if that were an easy case, many times would someone else have tried it. Good idea, but as far as I know, difficult to fight from a legal point of view. I'll ask my attorney about this and will keep you posted.
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unseenguy
06-12 01:12 AM
You will be considered as anti immigrant if you support any of restriction to H1b or Grassley Bill even if the they are good. Even recapture is passed that will not resolve the problem unless the numbers are huge.Recapture bill will give only limited releif for limited time. If we want all of the problems of High skilled immigration system needs almost unlimited GC numbers and also huge expansion of H1b. That will be nearly impossible for atleast next 5 years or more.
If anyone is having good skills they will escape whatever the restriction they put for H1b. More restriction bad apples will be filtered. If H1b number goes down by restriction waiting time for GC will go down. Most persons will get GC within 2 to 4 years time at the same time best and bright will come here.
So you are indirectly saying, you got GC because you are best and brightest?
If anyone is having good skills they will escape whatever the restriction they put for H1b. More restriction bad apples will be filtered. If H1b number goes down by restriction waiting time for GC will go down. Most persons will get GC within 2 to 4 years time at the same time best and bright will come here.
So you are indirectly saying, you got GC because you are best and brightest?
Legal
07-21 05:38 PM
vdlrao,
There could be one problem with the above interpretation of overflow from FB category. I think the numbers shown in the document are from last year- end of Sep 07, not sure this applies to what is available for 2008. what do you think?
There could be one problem with the above interpretation of overflow from FB category. I think the numbers shown in the document are from last year- end of Sep 07, not sure this applies to what is available for 2008. what do you think?
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hpandey
05-01 04:59 PM
Who told you this...do you know the history and are you sure the tamils are not opressed by the SL govt. Read the history before you make the comments.
By the way I am not supporting the LTTE. Here the question is should Indian govt support the civilions or not. Given a chance the SL govt wants to wipe out the entire tamil community. Do not think it will not happen to you/us here tomorrow.
And who told you that they are being opressed - have you been to Sri Lanka and if yes which places did you visit to see the Tamils being opressed .
The terrorists who come to fight in J&K from Pak say they are fighting because Indian Army and govt is opressing the Muslims . Is that true also ?
Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.
By the way I am not supporting the LTTE. Here the question is should Indian govt support the civilions or not. Given a chance the SL govt wants to wipe out the entire tamil community. Do not think it will not happen to you/us here tomorrow.
And who told you that they are being opressed - have you been to Sri Lanka and if yes which places did you visit to see the Tamils being opressed .
The terrorists who come to fight in J&K from Pak say they are fighting because Indian Army and govt is opressing the Muslims . Is that true also ?
Seriously I don't care - my personal opinion that in this particular case it is none of our ( India's ) business to meddle in Sri Lankan affairs when they are on the verge of getting rid of a menace they have . Terrorism is not a solution of anything . Only peaceful times can bring happiness and prosperity.
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gcisadawg
07-17 12:09 PM
DOS (or any government agency for that matter) cannot interpert the law differently for each year. One law and one interpretation. It can't follow the different set of rules when implementing the law each year. Initally, INA was designed to follow vertical spill over (diversity was important than preference catagory). But, AC21 law ameneded the INA to force the DOS to implement horizontal spill over (preference catagory is important than diversity). However, DOS was still follwing verical spill over evenafter the AC21 act till 2006. If DOS followd the law correctly, EB2-I and Ch would have never been retrogressed since 2005. Lucky for DOS, no one has challanged the DOS. Now they realized the mistake and follow the law correctly. They follw this till if congress changes the law.
Yes, horizontal spill-over gives preference to EB Category. But the vertical spillover didnt promote diversity. It just ensured that the applicant with the oldest PD was allotted the first available spill-over visa number irrespective of his EB category or country of origin. This just ensured that someone doesnt wait too long. as you know, most of the vertical spillovers were consumed by EB3-India and china. Then, how can it promote diversity.
to make it simple, here is my understanding
Vertical spill over --> PD precedes EB category and Country of Origin
Horizontal spill over --> EB Category precedes PD and country of origin.
Thanks,
gcisadawg
Yes, horizontal spill-over gives preference to EB Category. But the vertical spillover didnt promote diversity. It just ensured that the applicant with the oldest PD was allotted the first available spill-over visa number irrespective of his EB category or country of origin. This just ensured that someone doesnt wait too long. as you know, most of the vertical spillovers were consumed by EB3-India and china. Then, how can it promote diversity.
to make it simple, here is my understanding
Vertical spill over --> PD precedes EB category and Country of Origin
Horizontal spill over --> EB Category precedes PD and country of origin.
Thanks,
gcisadawg
ita
03-30 04:59 PM
As far as I know...
LIke you said India was just born and Nehru with full majority was heading the country . You know what he did he came up with Democratic-Socialistic model which is the hybrid of Communist-Socialist Russia,Democartic-Capatilistic U.S
This Democratic-Socialism was never tried anywhere else in the world.It was the so called vision of Nehru(albeit cut-copy-paste).
Interestingly explanation he gave for advocating his recipe was the same explanation you are giving for 'why it is difficult to rule India'
He said since India is young country it needs gentle intervention from state to get rid of the existing social-economic disparities. His formula resulted in bureaucratic bottlenecks, red tape, widened existing socio-economic disparities ,gave rise to mafia culture and the list goes on making Nehruvian socialism synonymous to failure in Indian dictionary.His dynastic descendants tried to push it under carpet as long as they could .Result: we see people thinking Nehru was a visionary.
Our own Intelligent MMS in 90's named Nehruviain Socialism a failure before he opened the reforms in the market.It is said that when P.V/MMS duo took charge they found that country's foreign exchanges reserves couldn't last for 24 hours.
India is very difficult to rule. Thats why we outsource that. It is not a joke.
Even after independence, Nehru had very strong majority goverment. Still he had a problems in ruling the country. He had lot of vision in economy, poverty, socialism etc.. But he and subsequent PMs (mostly congress) failed becuse of unimaginable local issues based on India's diversity and polygenious nature of the state. India is a victim of its own diversity and long/old (and strong) regional history. This diversity includes language, tradition, culture, food habit, religion, caste and so on. Therefore, India is victim of its own division and diversity. India is untied or born in 1947 because of British rule. Infact, there is no country called Republic of India before 1947. Indian constitution (or concept of united India) is brand new compare to regional history. Naturally, regional interest always prevails. So ruling India is still a new and uphill task. 60 years is very less to come to conclusion. Thats why, all congress PMs had failed in reforms. And now in the information age, India become materialistic, everybody wants everything. So naturally corruption increases. So one can not blame just congress alone for the mess.
LIke you said India was just born and Nehru with full majority was heading the country . You know what he did he came up with Democratic-Socialistic model which is the hybrid of Communist-Socialist Russia,Democartic-Capatilistic U.S
This Democratic-Socialism was never tried anywhere else in the world.It was the so called vision of Nehru(albeit cut-copy-paste).
Interestingly explanation he gave for advocating his recipe was the same explanation you are giving for 'why it is difficult to rule India'
He said since India is young country it needs gentle intervention from state to get rid of the existing social-economic disparities. His formula resulted in bureaucratic bottlenecks, red tape, widened existing socio-economic disparities ,gave rise to mafia culture and the list goes on making Nehruvian socialism synonymous to failure in Indian dictionary.His dynastic descendants tried to push it under carpet as long as they could .Result: we see people thinking Nehru was a visionary.
Our own Intelligent MMS in 90's named Nehruviain Socialism a failure before he opened the reforms in the market.It is said that when P.V/MMS duo took charge they found that country's foreign exchanges reserves couldn't last for 24 hours.
India is very difficult to rule. Thats why we outsource that. It is not a joke.
Even after independence, Nehru had very strong majority goverment. Still he had a problems in ruling the country. He had lot of vision in economy, poverty, socialism etc.. But he and subsequent PMs (mostly congress) failed becuse of unimaginable local issues based on India's diversity and polygenious nature of the state. India is a victim of its own diversity and long/old (and strong) regional history. This diversity includes language, tradition, culture, food habit, religion, caste and so on. Therefore, India is victim of its own division and diversity. India is untied or born in 1947 because of British rule. Infact, there is no country called Republic of India before 1947. Indian constitution (or concept of united India) is brand new compare to regional history. Naturally, regional interest always prevails. So ruling India is still a new and uphill task. 60 years is very less to come to conclusion. Thats why, all congress PMs had failed in reforms. And now in the information age, India become materialistic, everybody wants everything. So naturally corruption increases. So one can not blame just congress alone for the mess.
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akred
02-20 12:40 AM
How much investment is required to do this using the L1-A? This appears to be a better option than the EB-5 where money is tied up for years.
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ramus
06-27 06:59 AM
So are you saying that we could have possible retrogression effective from any day in July?
Thanks.
USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the numebr of such approvals.
These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.
Thanks.
USCIS had approvals before dates moved. USCIS knows the numebr of such approvals.
These approvals are getting GC before approval of current applicants. If earlier approvals use up quotas, retrogression does not have to wait for current approvals.
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walking_dude
02-13 02:32 PM
Where did I say ROW need not participate?!Instead I asked ROW members to participate more actively and become a mainstream component of the movement!
Those ROW members who are part of the IV are supportive of removing country caps. They are satisfied with IVs stand that increase in numbers along with removal of country with benefit all - ROW, Indians, Chinese, Mexicans and Phillipinos. No EB immigrant will be left behind :-)
I'm thankful to every active IV member - ROW, India , China, Mexico or Phillipines who has worked for IVs cause. Those few ROW members who keep harping on the split in IV over country quotas never were/are part of the IV movement (active dedicated members). They just sit on the sidelines and create rifts.
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My comment was on someone suggesting moving ahead without the ROW participation since they only comprise 20% of the membership pool.
Those ROW members who are part of the IV are supportive of removing country caps. They are satisfied with IVs stand that increase in numbers along with removal of country with benefit all - ROW, Indians, Chinese, Mexicans and Phillipinos. No EB immigrant will be left behind :-)
I'm thankful to every active IV member - ROW, India , China, Mexico or Phillipines who has worked for IVs cause. Those few ROW members who keep harping on the split in IV over country quotas never were/are part of the IV movement (active dedicated members). They just sit on the sidelines and create rifts.
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My comment was on someone suggesting moving ahead without the ROW participation since they only comprise 20% of the membership pool.
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saileshdude
05-29 03:42 PM
I am not sure if I agree with doing two things at the same time. We can try to solve 12 things at the same time, but at the end are we effective? As an organization,If by focusing on eliminating EB1 fraud gives us significant advantage in short and long term then I am all for it. Numbers do not suggest that.However if we focus our energy on legislative fixes to eliminate the backlog, most of the categories will benefit.Question is do we suggest 20 things and dont complete anything or take one important initiative to the finish line. In my limited experience, I have seen second one works better.
Reporting to USCIS about possible L1/ EB1 fraud should not take too much efforts so as to impact the effectiveness. Its just about bringing to attention to the USCIS about the possible misuse of EB1 by these consulting firms. Ultimately its upto USCIS to make a judgement about a particular case but with our help of informing them this is happening will make the adjudicating process tough for these people.
Reporting to USCIS about possible L1/ EB1 fraud should not take too much efforts so as to impact the effectiveness. Its just about bringing to attention to the USCIS about the possible misuse of EB1 by these consulting firms. Ultimately its upto USCIS to make a judgement about a particular case but with our help of informing them this is happening will make the adjudicating process tough for these people.
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old_hat
05-02 02:19 AM
By the way which planet are you from...Do you have GC problem there also..?
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did you believe in flowers campaign?
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bayarea07
07-28 11:14 AM
Thanks Gopi for such a sane post, I second what you said below , a person has to be ready mentally to be approached for any business and if they are not ready then the same conversation which they might find helpful at the time when he is mentally ready would look like as a harassment when they are not mentally ready.
and that is what BWW is not doing, beside all what you said i also believe they lie to you a lot as it happened with me on several occasions, they would lie about the credentials aof theirs and theirs upline because they think people are more open to hear from persons who are more successful and thats why they lie about education and job etc..
One of the Diamonds came to my house last year and he projected that he is going to be my best friend even though i said Yes or NO.
He came to my house several times,he would call me everyday and ask me about life in general and all the while behaved as one of my best friend/brother and he disappeared with no phone call at all as soon as i said NO to my upline.
And i believe these all practices of theirs is whats turning people off.
Jayleno - me thinking sane is the reason you didn't hear from me in any malls/WM :) but I was a minority in BWW who believes in waiting till you find like minded people who are looking. cold contacting is just going against human instincts. you can't simply talk to a person about something to get his phone number and call them about this business next day. that is a reg flag right there. i couldn't do it and hence not with this business anymore. many of us are not ready to think about making millions in few short years. some people need to understand that you can't rub that idea with force on another human being.
in BWW terms, i was a quitter who can't take the business to the next level because I was afraid of rejection (getting a NO from prospects)..
and that is what BWW is not doing, beside all what you said i also believe they lie to you a lot as it happened with me on several occasions, they would lie about the credentials aof theirs and theirs upline because they think people are more open to hear from persons who are more successful and thats why they lie about education and job etc..
One of the Diamonds came to my house last year and he projected that he is going to be my best friend even though i said Yes or NO.
He came to my house several times,he would call me everyday and ask me about life in general and all the while behaved as one of my best friend/brother and he disappeared with no phone call at all as soon as i said NO to my upline.
And i believe these all practices of theirs is whats turning people off.
Jayleno - me thinking sane is the reason you didn't hear from me in any malls/WM :) but I was a minority in BWW who believes in waiting till you find like minded people who are looking. cold contacting is just going against human instincts. you can't simply talk to a person about something to get his phone number and call them about this business next day. that is a reg flag right there. i couldn't do it and hence not with this business anymore. many of us are not ready to think about making millions in few short years. some people need to understand that you can't rub that idea with force on another human being.
in BWW terms, i was a quitter who can't take the business to the next level because I was afraid of rejection (getting a NO from prospects)..
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BharatPremi
12-14 02:48 PM
Yes BP, in that case Britain too will be oversubscribed just like IN,CH,MXa and PH.
7% ceiling applies to all the countries not just the ones that happen to be oversubscribed now.
So that interprets to "7% limit for every country" - seems to be "Equality"
7% ceiling applies to all the countries not just the ones that happen to be oversubscribed now.
So that interprets to "7% limit for every country" - seems to be "Equality"
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02-12 02:51 PM
9 moths and 5 days for me :-)
Yeah, Tell me about it!!!
Just two more months and mine would have been current!!!!
Yeah, Tell me about it!!!
Just two more months and mine would have been current!!!!
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07-31 07:10 AM
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CreatedToday
09-04 02:09 PM
It is you responded first to this news with this post, encouraging others to comment against a dead person. Also with the full name of a member revealed, it's possible that you are _truefacts!
Now are you trying to come out clean?
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcr_bulk
Andhra CM YSR chopper has been missed since yesterday.
Good for the world
Post further discussions on websites like idlebrain, great andhra etc...
Lets keep away from such topics
__________________
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world"
- Margaret Mead
Please stop this unnecessary useless discussion here. And I am not "_truefacts". Folks, just like how u do IT or medicine, for politicians - politics is a career. They do whatever they can to be in power and in developing countries like India where unfortunately, corrpution still exists. Corrpution exists everywhere in different forms. Don't we all pay for EAD and AP every year because our country is retrogressed? Don't we all pay for MTR when we do everything based on law?
One has to accpept the reality and live with it and try to bring about the change within one's parameters.
People can argue just for the sake of arguements - but the reality is that we are all in it together. If there is an issue that affects all of us, it affects all of us - period. We can argue and counter argue but unless we all get on the same page and understand that there needs to be a solution rather than trask talk, things are not going to change for us.
Lets concentrate on what we are in this organization for.
Now are you trying to come out clean?
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcr_bulk
Andhra CM YSR chopper has been missed since yesterday.
Good for the world
Post further discussions on websites like idlebrain, great andhra etc...
Lets keep away from such topics
__________________
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world"
- Margaret Mead
Please stop this unnecessary useless discussion here. And I am not "_truefacts". Folks, just like how u do IT or medicine, for politicians - politics is a career. They do whatever they can to be in power and in developing countries like India where unfortunately, corrpution still exists. Corrpution exists everywhere in different forms. Don't we all pay for EAD and AP every year because our country is retrogressed? Don't we all pay for MTR when we do everything based on law?
One has to accpept the reality and live with it and try to bring about the change within one's parameters.
People can argue just for the sake of arguements - but the reality is that we are all in it together. If there is an issue that affects all of us, it affects all of us - period. We can argue and counter argue but unless we all get on the same page and understand that there needs to be a solution rather than trask talk, things are not going to change for us.
Lets concentrate on what we are in this organization for.
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chanduv23
09-04 08:06 AM
Please stop this unnecessary useless discussion here. And I am not "_truefacts". Folks, just like how u do IT or medicine, for politicians - politics is a career. They do whatever they can to be in power and in developing countries like India where unfortunately, corrpution still exists. Corrpution exists everywhere in different forms. Don't we all pay for EAD and AP every year because our country is retrogressed? Don't we all pay for MTR when we do everything based on law?
One has to accpept the reality and live with it and try to bring about the change within one's parameters.
People can argue just for the sake of arguements - but the reality is that we are all in it together. If there is an issue that affects all of us, it affects all of us - period. We can argue and counter argue but unless we all get on the same page and understand that there needs to be a solution rather than trask talk, things are not going to change for us.
Lets concentrate on what we are in this organization for.
One has to accpept the reality and live with it and try to bring about the change within one's parameters.
People can argue just for the sake of arguements - but the reality is that we are all in it together. If there is an issue that affects all of us, it affects all of us - period. We can argue and counter argue but unless we all get on the same page and understand that there needs to be a solution rather than trask talk, things are not going to change for us.
Lets concentrate on what we are in this organization for.
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jsb
05-29 01:55 PM
Ok, the guy that sets the dates says that he sees no possibility of dates moving forward for EB India and ppl are still thinking there is hope? I am an optimist and try to see the brighter side - and that side here is that we know there is no hope for those past 2005 in the next two years. That to me is sufficient to make decisions and move on. Be it changing to a different job or going back to the home country - most probably the former for me.
Folks, we all agree the news delivered is not good. One good way to work en mass is to send complaints in thousands to the Ombudsman. For more details google for CIS Ombudsman.
Further, if any one is considering to get back home, keep in mind that if you don't contribute to SSA for 10 yrs, your and your employers' contributions are simply lost (with some exceptions for countries with which US has an agreement). To collect SSA at 65 for India/China citizens you need not to be a GC holder. You can collect living in your country. If you are close to 10 yrs, just reach that mark before you make any decisions.
Folks, we all agree the news delivered is not good. One good way to work en mass is to send complaints in thousands to the Ombudsman. For more details google for CIS Ombudsman.
Further, if any one is considering to get back home, keep in mind that if you don't contribute to SSA for 10 yrs, your and your employers' contributions are simply lost (with some exceptions for countries with which US has an agreement). To collect SSA at 65 for India/China citizens you need not to be a GC holder. You can collect living in your country. If you are close to 10 yrs, just reach that mark before you make any decisions.
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mchatrvd
08-17 01:41 PM
I agree with all of you that this is not worth talking. Instead channelize your efforts in supporting organization to contact lawmakers and make advocacy efforts.
srkamath
07-21 09:01 PM
CAN ANY ONE BELIEVE THEY GAVE 10,326 "UNUSED" EB NUMBERS TO FAMILY BASED IN THE YEAR 2006?? AMAZING.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/LPR_FR_2007.pdf
Another concern I have on your estimation is it looks like unlimited categories (immediate relatives) eat into the overall numbers. But it looks like FB is guaranteed minimum of 226,000 each year.
that's right, vdlrao is spot on (as usual) with the analysis.
A recapture loop is already built into the system, the subtraction of the unlimited category numbers acts sort of like a negative-feedback loop, keeping the numbers stable.
USCIS processing efficiency affects mostly EB categories, it doesn't affect FB much which has hard 7% limits / country.
vdlrao's clear analysis suggests that FY 2008 could see more than 70,000 EB2s issued in total.
EB2 In/CH being retrogressed will get the maximum benefits.
USCIS is definitely capable of processing 12k to 15k per month.
EB2 will become current for all countries very soon.
EB3 will then get a lot of spillovers, ensuring rapid movement.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/LPR_FR_2007.pdf
Another concern I have on your estimation is it looks like unlimited categories (immediate relatives) eat into the overall numbers. But it looks like FB is guaranteed minimum of 226,000 each year.
that's right, vdlrao is spot on (as usual) with the analysis.
A recapture loop is already built into the system, the subtraction of the unlimited category numbers acts sort of like a negative-feedback loop, keeping the numbers stable.
USCIS processing efficiency affects mostly EB categories, it doesn't affect FB much which has hard 7% limits / country.
vdlrao's clear analysis suggests that FY 2008 could see more than 70,000 EB2s issued in total.
EB2 In/CH being retrogressed will get the maximum benefits.
USCIS is definitely capable of processing 12k to 15k per month.
EB2 will become current for all countries very soon.
EB3 will then get a lot of spillovers, ensuring rapid movement.
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05-02 05:35 PM
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