sayantan76
07-08 02:46 PM
It all comes down to priorities. If someone's aim to have GC at any cost, he/she will do everything to get to the finish line -- i.e. 180 days past I-485. In my opinion, GC process should be part of life, and it should not hijack 100% of time of highly skilled professional. No wonder, we see so many posts where person is waiting for AC-21 so as to get rid of "blood-sucking employer". For a neutral person, both employee and employer are using system to suit their needs.
Some people will go the extent of using term "slavery", whereas, actually, their thought process is slaved to the GC process.
And, employers know this very well and try to use to their advantage.
>> have 2 years of experience or so, think that they have certain skills and employers would not live without them
You have described it very well. I have met many of such professionals while interviewing them for jobs. But, the reality is, these same professionals are scraed of their jobs being outsourced.
Some are simple cookie cutter prgrammers and compare themselves to reasearch scientists and technologically superior.
Another thing, I have noticed is that while on H-1B, vast majority of professionals claim that they are getting paid prevaling wages, but, on the other hand, they also claim they can make upto 50% more, if they had EAD or green card. Ironic! Isn't it.
You are right. These are the rules set by current EB immigration system.
With this so called "exploitation" by whole Employment Based Immigrations, these professionals turn blind eye to whole thing after getting Green Card. Afterall they are, rightly, professionals.
How many times we see any green card holder or citizen supporting fellow immigrants?
H1 does not care for F1.
EAD does not care for H1/F1.
GC holder does not care for EAD/H1/F1
Citizens wonder why immigration level is so high.
Taking a quote from MTV Roadies program, each professional (roadie) is alone and has to look after his own best interests.
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The exchange between Chanduv and Desi3933 has been a refreshingly objective discussion and is a welcome change from the typical hyper-reactionary posts one sees more frequently in this forum.
One of the features of the fight for EB immigration reforms we all need to be cognizant of is - that most (99%) of the members are in this fight to solve an immediate personal problem (visa situation) in a timely manner - most of us are not in it because we believe it to be a cause larger than us and a cause that demands personal sacrifice - and hence the lack of collective passion (lukewarm responses to IV sponsored drives, donation efforts etc.)
While - many have tried to compare this cause to India's independence struggle or Gandhiji's movement in South Africa - but the fundamental difference is that in both these struggles - people who led the struggles led it at a personal cost (Gandhiji willingly gave away a lucrative career to take up the struggle and so did Nehru; Netaji Bose was a Civil Services Officer and gave it up) - even the vast majority of revolutionaries (Bhagat Singh et al) were college educated professionals who could easily have had nice careers in British India.........and therein lies the fundamental difference......not one of us would willingly give up what we have for this struggle - we are in it because we are stuck in a system and want some resolution.......as soon as our particular situation gets resolved...we move on....(maybe there are a few exceptions and hats off to these folks).........and hence Desi - the answer to your question why H1 does not care for F1 and EAD does not care for H1 and so on.......it is not a collective cause - it is just a collection of individual causes - thats all - we would be fooling ourselves if we had some other grandiose visions - calling this group a cause would be the same as calling passengers on a bus one group - they are in the same bus simply because they share a part of their journey - thats it
Some people will go the extent of using term "slavery", whereas, actually, their thought process is slaved to the GC process.
And, employers know this very well and try to use to their advantage.
>> have 2 years of experience or so, think that they have certain skills and employers would not live without them
You have described it very well. I have met many of such professionals while interviewing them for jobs. But, the reality is, these same professionals are scraed of their jobs being outsourced.
Some are simple cookie cutter prgrammers and compare themselves to reasearch scientists and technologically superior.
Another thing, I have noticed is that while on H-1B, vast majority of professionals claim that they are getting paid prevaling wages, but, on the other hand, they also claim they can make upto 50% more, if they had EAD or green card. Ironic! Isn't it.
You are right. These are the rules set by current EB immigration system.
With this so called "exploitation" by whole Employment Based Immigrations, these professionals turn blind eye to whole thing after getting Green Card. Afterall they are, rightly, professionals.
How many times we see any green card holder or citizen supporting fellow immigrants?
H1 does not care for F1.
EAD does not care for H1/F1.
GC holder does not care for EAD/H1/F1
Citizens wonder why immigration level is so high.
Taking a quote from MTV Roadies program, each professional (roadie) is alone and has to look after his own best interests.
.
The exchange between Chanduv and Desi3933 has been a refreshingly objective discussion and is a welcome change from the typical hyper-reactionary posts one sees more frequently in this forum.
One of the features of the fight for EB immigration reforms we all need to be cognizant of is - that most (99%) of the members are in this fight to solve an immediate personal problem (visa situation) in a timely manner - most of us are not in it because we believe it to be a cause larger than us and a cause that demands personal sacrifice - and hence the lack of collective passion (lukewarm responses to IV sponsored drives, donation efforts etc.)
While - many have tried to compare this cause to India's independence struggle or Gandhiji's movement in South Africa - but the fundamental difference is that in both these struggles - people who led the struggles led it at a personal cost (Gandhiji willingly gave away a lucrative career to take up the struggle and so did Nehru; Netaji Bose was a Civil Services Officer and gave it up) - even the vast majority of revolutionaries (Bhagat Singh et al) were college educated professionals who could easily have had nice careers in British India.........and therein lies the fundamental difference......not one of us would willingly give up what we have for this struggle - we are in it because we are stuck in a system and want some resolution.......as soon as our particular situation gets resolved...we move on....(maybe there are a few exceptions and hats off to these folks).........and hence Desi - the answer to your question why H1 does not care for F1 and EAD does not care for H1 and so on.......it is not a collective cause - it is just a collection of individual causes - thats all - we would be fooling ourselves if we had some other grandiose visions - calling this group a cause would be the same as calling passengers on a bus one group - they are in the same bus simply because they share a part of their journey - thats it
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ramus
07-07 10:33 PM
That's the reason I said if we at least get 1000 members then we can ask core members and get their help. members should seriously think if they can make it before they saying yes.. I think even Friday option works as member can take long weekend and spend weekend in DC. We will also get to know all IV members.
What do you say?
Are you serious? If people are so much interested in getting a GC and would like to make an impact, a day's work should not be a big deal. Forget the weekend stuff as DC streets have no federal government business on weekends. There are some guys who are willing to drive from NY/NJ/NC.
Even if we take the poll and lets say 500 people would like to come, that number will become 250 or less as most of us will have last minute issues as usual :p
What do you say?
Are you serious? If people are so much interested in getting a GC and would like to make an impact, a day's work should not be a big deal. Forget the weekend stuff as DC streets have no federal government business on weekends. There are some guys who are willing to drive from NY/NJ/NC.
Even if we take the poll and lets say 500 people would like to come, that number will become 250 or less as most of us will have last minute issues as usual :p
mrsr
07-07 10:31 PM
if it takes 2 or 3 years to fight this case, what is the use
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dkshitij
02-11 10:08 AM
Thanks, Tony! I did email ivcoordinator yesterday. I will wait a few days and check back.
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designflaw
09-14 04:46 PM
I am aware that I was lucky (BTW, March 07 labor was my second labor. First one rotted in the BEC. And I have been here since '99). However, that doesn't change the fact that there is likely to be a 10+ year wait time for EB3 ROW. Thats my gut-feeling.
I also think that these 10+ year wait times are meaningless. In a few years, there will be some sort of CIR, and a points-based system will be instituted. At that point, there will be no distinction between those who have filed their 485s, and those who haven't.
All that we July07 EB-3 filers (India or ROW), and even EB-2 I/C, have is an EAD card until the CIR happens. If it happens next year, we are all in the same boat. If it happens in 2015, then the July 07 filers have EAD cards until then.
The thing what I don't understand is, after July 2007, the priority dates for EB3-ROW were available. As a matter of fact, look at the this document (http://www.techjargons.com/USCIS_priority_dates.pdf), the priority dates went all the way up to March 2006. So, if there were no more visa's then right after July 2007, how can USCIS continue to make priority dates available?
I also think that these 10+ year wait times are meaningless. In a few years, there will be some sort of CIR, and a points-based system will be instituted. At that point, there will be no distinction between those who have filed their 485s, and those who haven't.
All that we July07 EB-3 filers (India or ROW), and even EB-2 I/C, have is an EAD card until the CIR happens. If it happens next year, we are all in the same boat. If it happens in 2015, then the July 07 filers have EAD cards until then.
The thing what I don't understand is, after July 2007, the priority dates for EB3-ROW were available. As a matter of fact, look at the this document (http://www.techjargons.com/USCIS_priority_dates.pdf), the priority dates went all the way up to March 2006. So, if there were no more visa's then right after July 2007, how can USCIS continue to make priority dates available?
sankap
07-09 10:20 PM
In that case, I *guess* you can show yourself as "permanently self-employed" for your own company--should be easy if you have an LLC that does business in "same or similar" occupation (e.g., consulting/PM). Should also be easy to state the *projected" yearly income on EVL.
First read this post.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/473142-post12.html
This should clear your doubt. You can read RFE issued by USCIS on other forum as well. The word "permanent" is right there.
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First read this post.
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/473142-post12.html
This should clear your doubt. You can read RFE issued by USCIS on other forum as well. The word "permanent" is right there.
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mrajatish
05-02 11:37 AM
The relief for EB3 comes because a lot of EB2's/EB1's will be gone from the quota. So, if the queue is smaller, you get it faster. The way I look at it, we want the queue to be smaller.
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jgh_res
12-17 07:44 AM
Are you trying to be a legal immigrant????? GC is not your right and you are here by choice.
Gym, yoga, work, birds - these things are just escape from reality. The reality is pretty grim. Imagine a new wanna be immigrant. He/she has basically two choices:
1. Ask for asylum, come up with some story, try to get interview passed. If works - then that's it. If not, ask judge for work permit (usually they grant). And go through hearings, appeals, etc. etc. - takes total 5 years. Meanwhile, work whenever you want. make money, find a girl (or a guy for girls), marry - get your GC. At worst case scenario - you get caught, put on deportation, you cash your credit cards - and leave with $200k in your pocket. So, at worst - you get deported - which is fair.
2. You read the law, you see that your only legal option is EB and you spend 6-8 years going through H1/LC/140/485, etc. Lose money, pay lawyers, pay taxes, miss opportunities. Even after you get GC, some douche bag IO might have a bad day, review your LC/140 and revoke it at any time until you get citizenship for some little reason. Even citizenship may be revoked because of "fraud". How many of you have LC done completely honestly, with interviewing all candidates and stuff like that? Meanwhile, if your company/lawyer screwed something up - you get deported, and you lost 10 best years of your life for nothing. In best case scenario, you get GC - which is fair.
So in 1st case we have fair-win situation, in second - lose-fair. So, can anybody give me ONE reason why we chose 2nd way? Please don't start with "good karma" and things like that. But for real? What is that? What message USCIS is sending us? America is a country of law or a country of criminal opportunists?
To me personally, this immigration thing is just a matter of principle, I'm not leaving without GC, period. I'm ready to have any of my stuff revoked, I'm ready for court battles - at the end I will marry a citizen. Reason? I don't wanna feel being a loser.
Gym, yoga, work, birds - these things are just escape from reality. The reality is pretty grim. Imagine a new wanna be immigrant. He/she has basically two choices:
1. Ask for asylum, come up with some story, try to get interview passed. If works - then that's it. If not, ask judge for work permit (usually they grant). And go through hearings, appeals, etc. etc. - takes total 5 years. Meanwhile, work whenever you want. make money, find a girl (or a guy for girls), marry - get your GC. At worst case scenario - you get caught, put on deportation, you cash your credit cards - and leave with $200k in your pocket. So, at worst - you get deported - which is fair.
2. You read the law, you see that your only legal option is EB and you spend 6-8 years going through H1/LC/140/485, etc. Lose money, pay lawyers, pay taxes, miss opportunities. Even after you get GC, some douche bag IO might have a bad day, review your LC/140 and revoke it at any time until you get citizenship for some little reason. Even citizenship may be revoked because of "fraud". How many of you have LC done completely honestly, with interviewing all candidates and stuff like that? Meanwhile, if your company/lawyer screwed something up - you get deported, and you lost 10 best years of your life for nothing. In best case scenario, you get GC - which is fair.
So in 1st case we have fair-win situation, in second - lose-fair. So, can anybody give me ONE reason why we chose 2nd way? Please don't start with "good karma" and things like that. But for real? What is that? What message USCIS is sending us? America is a country of law or a country of criminal opportunists?
To me personally, this immigration thing is just a matter of principle, I'm not leaving without GC, period. I'm ready to have any of my stuff revoked, I'm ready for court battles - at the end I will marry a citizen. Reason? I don't wanna feel being a loser.
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delhiguy
07-07 08:53 AM
Please go back .Why wait for the change in law .No one is stopping you . Dont discourage
I am not discouraging , i said "i wish i am proven wrong"
Even Attorney Khanna said the same.
I am not discouraging , i said "i wish i am proven wrong"
Even Attorney Khanna said the same.
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Pineapple
10-26 11:55 AM
Thanks for clarifying. At first glance, the points you propose seem eminently reasonable and cannot be disputed. However, the real issue here is not what we "should" but what we "can".
Re contacting NumbersUSA and FAIRUS, do go ahead but I'm certain there is no chance of them holding hands with us and singing 'Kumbaya'. The discussions and postings on those sites look like they have been written up by "Ed Anger" of the World World News :D
And re toning down immigration bills to our advantage, you have to recognize that the primary issue is not that a bill will be passed which will not be optimal - the issue is whether any bill will be passed at all.
Hi Pineapple,
That is my favorite fruit !
Very simple.
1. We should focus our resources and lobbying efforts to tone down immigration bills on our behalf. Spending our money to go there and put one more soul to say to Sen. Specter "vote for this bill" does not cut it.
2. We should use our lobbying resources and connections to contact decision makers from NumberUSA, FAIRUS.org and other major organizations and communicate our plans. We should clearly adopt a position against any bill which supports amnesty and offer a sensible, reasonable and fair quantitative increase in Employment Visa numbers. An example of reasonable proposals would be temporary increase of visa numbers, elimination of visa lottery and reallocation of visa numbes to EB, visa number recapture.
Thanks for asking.
The Ombdusman
Re contacting NumbersUSA and FAIRUS, do go ahead but I'm certain there is no chance of them holding hands with us and singing 'Kumbaya'. The discussions and postings on those sites look like they have been written up by "Ed Anger" of the World World News :D
And re toning down immigration bills to our advantage, you have to recognize that the primary issue is not that a bill will be passed which will not be optimal - the issue is whether any bill will be passed at all.
Hi Pineapple,
That is my favorite fruit !
Very simple.
1. We should focus our resources and lobbying efforts to tone down immigration bills on our behalf. Spending our money to go there and put one more soul to say to Sen. Specter "vote for this bill" does not cut it.
2. We should use our lobbying resources and connections to contact decision makers from NumberUSA, FAIRUS.org and other major organizations and communicate our plans. We should clearly adopt a position against any bill which supports amnesty and offer a sensible, reasonable and fair quantitative increase in Employment Visa numbers. An example of reasonable proposals would be temporary increase of visa numbers, elimination of visa lottery and reallocation of visa numbes to EB, visa number recapture.
Thanks for asking.
The Ombdusman
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ski_dude12
08-26 02:00 PM
And what criteria are they following?
I had taken infopass and officer sent an email to TSC enquiring about current status. Today, I got snail mail reply..
"Due to the high volume of expedite requests for this case type, we are strictly enforcing the criteria that has been set for these expedite requests."
I had taken infopass and officer sent an email to TSC enquiring about current status. Today, I got snail mail reply..
"Due to the high volume of expedite requests for this case type, we are strictly enforcing the criteria that has been set for these expedite requests."
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nousername
02-09 08:43 PM
$30 from my side.. Could not set up Paypal a/c without banking details so will do it tonight for sure..
Keep going guys.
Thanks for your contribution. Please pursuade your friends and relatives also
Keep going guys.
Thanks for your contribution. Please pursuade your friends and relatives also
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Prashant
07-03 02:45 PM
Done
Your Order Confirmation: EGONZA0EG2UY
Message: All the best for Future EB Visa Estimates
Truly,
A victim of revised visa bulletin
Your Order Confirmation: EGONZA0EG2UY
Message: All the best for Future EB Visa Estimates
Truly,
A victim of revised visa bulletin
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anzerraja
07-20 12:54 AM
Thanks Very much SS_col !!!!
Count me in for $100. Have contributed to IV before as well.
Count me in for $100. Have contributed to IV before as well.
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lynliu
05-28 11:18 PM
Me, spouse and a friend sent emails to the above Senator and will call them tomorrow.
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Contribute >$400 to IV and signed up 2x20 monthly
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man-woman-and-gc
09-17 03:49 PM
For those wondering what's going on in this thread...here's a brief synopsis:
We are collecting pledges to file a lawsuit against USICS against these random and opaque processing of GC's. Our target is to get 1000 affected people to pledge atlaset $100 each so that we can fund this lawsuit. No money being collected right now..just honest pledges.
There is a current list of members who have pledged support on the link below.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...8fcKLTQ&hl=en#
If you would like to help in this effort, please send me a private message with the following info:
1) Ur IV handle
2) Ph#
3) Email ID
4) Amount you would like to pledge.
Please note, we will move forward only if we have atleast 1000 pledged members to make up a sound force behind this campaign. So unity is the key here. We will not collect money unless we have a solid proof that we are not alone in this fight.
Once again..we have nothing to lose...but a big gain if we can gather enough support and raise our voice against thsis open injustice.
We are collecting pledges to file a lawsuit against USICS against these random and opaque processing of GC's. Our target is to get 1000 affected people to pledge atlaset $100 each so that we can fund this lawsuit. No money being collected right now..just honest pledges.
There is a current list of members who have pledged support on the link below.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?k...8fcKLTQ&hl=en#
If you would like to help in this effort, please send me a private message with the following info:
1) Ur IV handle
2) Ph#
3) Email ID
4) Amount you would like to pledge.
Please note, we will move forward only if we have atleast 1000 pledged members to make up a sound force behind this campaign. So unity is the key here. We will not collect money unless we have a solid proof that we are not alone in this fight.
Once again..we have nothing to lose...but a big gain if we can gather enough support and raise our voice against thsis open injustice.
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flthere
07-22 03:34 PM
Don't worry EB2 Dude! Nothing is going to happen. You will still enjoy the enhanced status that you currently have. The EB3 folks like myself have far too much lethargy/timidness to do anything. The fact that they are still in EB3 after so many years is proof of that. :D
Only after USCIS starting publishing the 485 inventory did the EB3s understand that they waited all along in vain and started porting to EB2. And now when EB3 guys want to move up to EB2, their employers are telling them that they too are in a helpless situation coz they can now find American citizens for the same position.
Only after USCIS starting publishing the 485 inventory did the EB3s understand that they waited all along in vain and started porting to EB2. And now when EB3 guys want to move up to EB2, their employers are telling them that they too are in a helpless situation coz they can now find American citizens for the same position.
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gc_peshwa
02-16 08:54 PM
Donated $100 for this event apart from my recurring monthly donations. Plan to spread the word about the advocacy with my colleagues tomorrow.
Go IV!
Go IV!
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gcwait2007
12-17 04:15 PM
depression is created by anxiety and hopelessness.
I am also like many others, suffering from GC related depression. After reading the posts, now I feel more comfortable that I am not alone:)
Two steps I wish to take: (1) Not to think about getting GC any more. Whether I am anxious or not, it will take its own time and let me develop the habit of patiently waiting (2) Have a back-up plan ready.
I am also like many others, suffering from GC related depression. After reading the posts, now I feel more comfortable that I am not alone:)
Two steps I wish to take: (1) Not to think about getting GC any more. Whether I am anxious or not, it will take its own time and let me develop the habit of patiently waiting (2) Have a back-up plan ready.
gcnirvana
06-26 04:07 PM
Thanks elaiyam! I got it after I submitted my post. Actually, my attorney sent me only the 4 pages of I-485 for me to fill :(
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-485.pdf
see page 5
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-485.pdf
see page 5
vij
06-14 02:56 PM
Mine was filed on 06/01. No receipt so far.
Are you checks cashed?
Are you checks cashed?
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